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eyemaratzass




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PostSubject: More Unfaithfulness   More Unfaithfulness EmptyWed Jun 24, 2009 1:34 pm

OMG!! When wil it end? There must be a virus among the Republicans.
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PostSubject: Re: More Unfaithfulness   More Unfaithfulness EmptyWed Jun 24, 2009 3:07 pm

eyemaratzass wrote:
OMG!! When will it end? There must be a virus among the Republicans..

Yesireee, indeedy, Eyem! They caught the virus from your democrats who have screwed around (even in the Oval Office) for many years! It was bound to rub off on some republicans like the governor in my own state! Although ..... this sounds like a long distance love affair on the internet for quite a while before intimacy came into the picture this past year! Don't know what's gonna happen between Sanford and the people of S.C. - we'll find out soon enough! Notice - if Sanford is truly guilty of a 'John Edwards' or 'Slick Willy' type of love affair then we'll just have to bounce and trounce Sanford out of office. Too bad this happened because he was a good senator before he became a good governor! That's what happens when you guys start chewing on that Viagra stuff - gotta get out there and believe you're 24 again!

Hattie!
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overtimeman

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PostSubject: Re: More Unfaithfulness   More Unfaithfulness EmptyWed Jun 24, 2009 5:24 pm

This kind of nonsense has been going on since the beginning of time.I do feel for his wife and children,but he is a grown man and he knew very well what he was doing and what the repercussion would be.He should do the right thing and step down/resign and avoid the fine people of South Carolina any more embarrassment.This was not one of those heat of the moment type of affairs but an ongoing over the internet affair that started over a year ago.He knew better!JMHO!Carolina Mike! :iagree:
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PostSubject: Re: More Unfaithfulness   More Unfaithfulness EmptyWed Jun 24, 2009 5:42 pm

overtimeman wrote:
This kind of nonsense has been going on since the beginning of time.I do feel for his wife and children,but he is a grown man and he knew very well what he was doing and what the repercussion would be.He should do the right thing and step down/resign and avoid the fine people of South Carolina any more embarrassment.This was not one of those heat of the moment type of affairs but an ongoing over the internet affair that started over a year ago.He knew better!JMHO!Carolina Mike! :iagree:

What you say is true, Mike! He should have known better and I'm really sad for our state and its citizens. Mark put up a good fight with our legislators and always seemed to want what was best for all of us! Now, it's time to see how much of what he believes in he will actually do for the betterment of South Carolinians. Of course, I'm not too sure about Andre Bauer succeeding him- seems to me like Andre's a younger version of Joe Biden in some ways - especially in his
driving over the speed limit tickets!

Hattie!
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PostSubject: Re: More Unfaithfulness   More Unfaithfulness EmptyThu Jun 25, 2009 9:02 am

eyemaratzass wrote:
OMG!! When wil it end? There must be a virus among the Republicans.

How convenient to forget about Spitzer, Edwards, Jack kennedy and Clinton. It seems to me a more serious virus which is infecting the left is cheating on their taxes...oh that's right, it's just an honest oversight virus!!!
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PostSubject: Re: More Unfaithfulness   More Unfaithfulness EmptyThu Jun 25, 2009 12:30 pm

When it comes to extra-marital affairs both the left and right are culpable. I'm sure there's just as many Democrats fooling around right now that haven't been exposed yet as there are Republicans doing the same thing. This is a human condition, not a political one.

The problem I have with Governor Sanford is that he lied to South Carolinians in order to cover up his latest tryst. No one had heard from him for 4 days, starting last Thursday. It was said was hiking in the mountains while he secretly flew to South America to see his lover. Disappearing for almost a week and then lying about it should not be acceptable to S.C. voters.

OTOH, Mark Sanford sounds like someone who's really in love, unfortunately not with his wife. This is what he wrote on July 10, 2008 in one of is emails to his lover: "You have the ability to give magnificently gentle kisses...I love your tan lines...the curves of your hips, the erotic beauty of you holding yourself...in the faded glow of night's light."

Here's a guy who seems truly in love with this woman. Sounds like he's going through a mid-life crises. I can understand how this can happen, and it happens all the time.

It's up to South Carolina voters to decide if Sanford should stay on as governor. Personally, I feel empathy for the man.

Art
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PostSubject: Re: More Unfaithfulness   More Unfaithfulness EmptyThu Jun 25, 2009 12:44 pm

bigartie wrote:
When it comes to extra-marital affairs both the left and right are culpable. I'm sure there's just as many Democrats fooling around right now that haven't been exposed yet as there are Republicans doing the same thing. This is a human condition, not a political one.

The problem I have with Governor Sanford is that he lied to South Carolinians in order to cover up his latest tryst. No one had heard from him for 4 days, starting last Thursday. It was said was hiking in the mountains while he secretly flew to South America to see his lover. Disappearing for almost a week and then lying about it should not be acceptable to S.C. voters.

OTOH, Mark Sanford sounds like someone who's really in love, unfortunately not with his wife. This is what he wrote on July 10, 2008 in one of is emails to his lover: "You have the ability to give magnificently gentle kisses...I love your tan lines...the curves of your hips, the erotic beauty of you holding yourself...in the faded glow of night's light."

Here's a guy who seems truly in love with this woman. Sounds like he's going through a mid-life crises. I can understand how this can happen, and it happens all the time.

It's up to South Carolina voters to decide if Sanford should stay on as governor. Personally, I feel empathy for the man.

Art

I think you're on the mark Art. I would only add that I also feel empathy for his wife and family.
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PostSubject: Re: More Unfaithfulness   More Unfaithfulness EmptyThu Jun 25, 2009 5:08 pm

Just released by AP

The Associated Press

COLUMBIA, S.C. - A top South Carolina Republican leader said philandering Gov. Mark Sanford should resign and practice the philosophy he's preached of holding GOP leaders accountable.

Glenn McCall is one of the state's two national representatives to the Republican National Committee. He's also a county party chairman and said Thursday that party members want Sanford out.

McCall said Sanford repeatedly has said party leaders should be held accountable for not upholding the GOP's principles. And McCall says the married father of four should be held to the same standard.

The governor returned Wednesday from an international trip to see his mistress in Argentina. Hours later he publicly revealed that he's been having an affair for the past year.

Sanford was with his family Thursday as legal and ethical questions swirled over his secret trip to see a woman in Argentina with whom he admitted an affair.

The state's top senator questioned whether Sanford broke the law when he disappeared for several days on a trip to South America and didn't transfer power to the lieutenant governor.

"I would think that if the evidence indicates that there is a willful effort to circumvent the constitution, I think there would be a chorus of calls for him to resign," said state Sen. Glenn McConnell, a fellow Republican.

McConnell said Sanford needed to answer questions about whether taxpayer money was used during the affair, but stopped short of calling for an investigation. Sanford's spokesman has said initially no state resources were used.

But in a later statement on Thursday, the governor said he did visit his mistress during a trade mission with the Department of Commerce last June to Brazil and Argentina and promised to repay the state for the Argentina portion of the trip.

'I made a mistake'

"While the purpose of this trip was an entirely professional and appropriate business development trip, I made a mistake while I was there in meeting with the woman who I was unfaithful to my wife with," Sanford said in a statement. "That has raised some very legitimate concerns and questions, and as such I am going to reimburse the state for the full cost of the Argentina leg of this trip."

Meanwhile, Sanford was reported to be visiting his wife and family. His wife said in a statement Wednesday that she had kicked him out two weeks ago and asked him not to speak to her while she came to terms with his infidelity, but spokesman Joel Sawyer said they were together at the family's beach house Thursday. The Sanfords have four sons.

"The governor is in Sullivans Island with his family," Sawyer said. "He's also going to be spending some time today and spent some time last night as well touching base with other elected officials."

Sanford was a three-term U.S. House veteran who once cited "moral legitimacy" when he was a congressman voting for President Bill Clinton's impeachment, but he has taken a swan dive from the moral high ground.

By admitting to an extramarital affair, the Republican governor makes the already-difficult end of his term-limited administration nearly untenable.


Sanford was raising his national political profile with his outspoken fight against using federal cash for anything but paying down debt. As chairman of the Republican Governors Association, he was raising money for candidates and deflecting talk he was planning to run for president in 2012.

'Capacity for forgiveness'

The speed of his collapse was shocking. Even his former chief of staff and friend of 30 years, state Sen. Tom Davis, said he didn't know about the affair until Wednesday.


"I think that South Carolinians, in particular Americans, have tremendous capacity for forgiveness. That said, they can also recognize hypocrisy. I think the tale of the tape will be the next few days, whether or not Governor Sanford is sincere in his repentance," Davis told ABC's "Good Morning America" on Thursday.

About three weeks ago, Sanford lost a court battle to reject the federal stimulus money. A few days later, his wife, Jenny Sanford, kicked him out of their home to begin a "trial separation" with hopes of reconciling.

Then on Monday, lawmakers and reporters started questioning where the governor had been for five days, including Father's Day weekend. His aides said the outdoorsman was hiking the Appalachian Trail to wind down from a grueling legislative session.

But Wednesday the governor held a rambling, tearful news conference in which he finally revealed the truth: "I've been unfaithful to my wife." His family did not attend.

The 49-year-old ruminated on God's law, moral absolutes and following one's heart. He said he spent the last five days "crying in Argentina."


'Dear friend'

Sanford described the woman as a "dear, dear friend" whom he has known for about eight years and been romantically involved with for about a year. He said he has seen her three times since the affair began, and his wife found out about it five months ago.

Sanford denied instructing his staff to cover up his affair. He said he told them he thought he would be hiking on the Appalachian Trail and never corrected that impression after leaving for South America.

"I let them down by creating a fiction with regard to where I was going," Sanford said. "I said that was the original possibility. Again, this is my fault in ... shrouding this larger trip."

"What I did was wrong. Period," he said.

Now the people of South Carolina and national GOP leaders are picking up the pieces.

Davis, Sanford's longtime friend, said he expected the governor to stay in office.

"We're all human, we all have failings and all we can do when confronted with those failings, is to own up to them and acknowledge the hurt you've cause others," Davis told CBS' "The Early Show."

Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour took over leadership of the Republican Governors Association after Stanford resigned from the post. In little more than an hour after his announcement, other Republicans were backing away from him: the Value Voters Summit dropped him from the lineup for its September roundup of GOP notables.

Political experts expect little from his last 18 months in office, and certainly not with the Legislature he's fought with for years. A lame duck session looms for Sanford.

"Truth be told, over the past few years, he has soured his relationship with the Legislature so much that he hasn't been particularly effective at getting an agenda through," said Scott Huffmon, political scientist at Winthrop University. "And with the stimulus fight, pushing it all the way to the state Supreme Court, that affirmed the governor's subordinate position in this state."

For now, Sanford's looking at the basics.

"Over the time that I have left in office, I'm going to devote my energy to building back the trust the people of this state have placed in me," Sanford said.


It will be a tall task. While some South Carolinians said they appreciated Sanford's eventual candor in admitting to his affair, the tawdry news surprised many.

"I was shocked, shocked," said Tom Daly, 42, a magazine editor in Charleston. "First of all he's a Republican golden boy and he's a strict, staunch conservative. I'm so shocked. It was something I did not expect."


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