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PostSubject: Health Care We Don't Need   Health Care We Don't Need EmptySun Aug 16, 2009 8:36 am

I know we all get a lot on the proposed socialist health care system, but this is simple and to the point and worth time watching.
This Lady has been there & done that.. 3+ minutes of your time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EPdbqsp1SA
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PostSubject: Re: Health Care We Don't Need   Health Care We Don't Need EmptySun Aug 16, 2009 4:48 pm

This might be relavent if the Canadian system was being proposed.
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PostSubject: Re: Health Care We Don't Need   Health Care We Don't Need EmptyMon Aug 17, 2009 8:32 am

eyemaratzass wrote:
This might be relavent if the Canadian system was being proposed.

I'm under the impression that BO wants a system that would be similar to the Canadian health care system which by the way has been described by incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association to be imploding!

Overhauling health-care system tops agenda at annual meeting of Canada's doctors


SASKATOON — The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan to cure it.

Dr. Anne Doig says patients are getting less than optimal care and she adds that physicians from across the country - who will gather in Saskatoon on Sunday for their annual meeting - recognize that changes must be made.

"We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize," Doing said in an interview with The Canadian Press.

"We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running flat out, we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands."

The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a presentation from Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said there's a critical need to make Canada's health-care system patient-centred. He will present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January, where he met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and France.

His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying since his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that it's possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal coverage and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."

In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private health-care delivery within the public system.

He has also said the Canadian system could be restructured to focus on patients if hospitals and other health-care institutions received funding based on the patients they treat, instead of an annual, lump-sum budget. This "activity-based funding" would be an incentive to provide more efficient care, he has said.

Doig says she doesn't know what a proposed "blueprint" toward patient-centred care might look like when the meeting wraps up Wednesday. She'd like to emerge with clear directions about where the association should focus efforts to direct change over the next few years. She also wants to see short-term, medium-term and long-term goals laid out.

"A short-term achievable goal would be to accelerate the process of getting electronic medical records into physicians' offices," she said. "That's one I think ought to be a priority and ought to be achievable."

A long-term goal would be getting health systems "talking to each other," so information can be quickly shared to help patients.

Doig, who has had a full-time family practice in Saskatoon for 30 years, acknowledges that when physicians have talked about changing the health-care system in the past, they've been accused of wanting an American-style structure. She insists that's not the case.

"It's not about choosing between an American system or a Canadian system," said Doig. "The whole thing is about looking at what other people do."

"That's called looking at the evidence, looking at how care is delivered and how care is paid for all around us (and) then saying 'Well, OK, that's good information. How do we make all of that work in the Canadian context? What do the Canadian people want?' "

Doig says there are some "very good things" about Canada's health-care system, but she points out that many people have stories about times when things didn't go well for them or their family.

"(Canadians) have to understand that the system that we have right now - if it keeps on going without change - is not sustainable," said Doig.

"They have to look at the evidence that's being presented and will be presented at (the meeting) and realize what Canada's doctors are trying to tell you, that you can get better care than what you're getting and we all have to participate in the discussion around how do we do that and of course how do we pay for it."

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PostSubject: Re: Health Care We Don't Need   Health Care We Don't Need EmptyMon Aug 17, 2009 10:51 am

Obama may have wanted a single payer system for sometime in the future but that is not what he wants now and it is not what he will get. There is not much point in ranting about the Canadian or the British systems since much of what is said is untrue. Roy Blunt found to his embarassment that he was dead wrong when he said if he was 59 in Canada he could not get a hip replacement. 1200 people over the age of 85 got hip replacements in Canada last year.
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PostSubject: Re: Health Care We Don't Need   Health Care We Don't Need EmptyMon Aug 17, 2009 1:04 pm

eyemaratzass wrote:
Obama may have wanted a single payer system for sometime in the future but that is not what he wants now and it is not what he will get. There is not much point in ranting about the Canadian or the British systems since much of what is said is untrue. Roy Blunt found to his embarassment that he was dead wrong when he said if he was 59 in Canada he could not get a hip replacement. 1200 people over the age of 85 got hip replacements in Canada last year.

And much of what is said is untrue also.

If you were in a lot of pain how would you like to have to deal with these wait times for a procedure in Canada?

Canadian patients wait between a GP referral and orthopedic surgery (38.1 weeks), plastic surgery (34.8 weeks) and neurosurgery (27.2 weeks).
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PostSubject: Re: Health Care We Don't Need   Health Care We Don't Need EmptyMon Aug 17, 2009 8:18 pm

Thank you for agreeing with me, Jack. I am not supporting the Canadian system and I do not favor it. I am only illustrating the lies being told about it as well as the British system, e.g. Stephen Hawkings.
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PostSubject: Re: Health Care We Don't Need   Health Care We Don't Need EmptyTue Aug 18, 2009 9:07 am

eyemaratzass wrote:
Thank you for agreeing with me, Jack. I am not supporting the Canadian system and I do not favor it. I am only illustrating the lies being told about it as well as the British system, e.g. Stephen Hawkings.

I'm not agreeing with you at all! I doubt we agree on very many things if any.

I was just pointing out the fact that with socialized medicine like the Canadian or British systems you can expect very long waits for any kind of treatment. Waits that can and do end with the patient dying before they ever get treatment.

How can you ignore the president of the Canadian Medical Association who stated "this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan to cure it."

The Canadians and now the Brits too are reacting to the negative comments we are hearing about their healthcare and trying to spin the true facts about their problems. It's what I would expect, but the facts clearly support the problems we are hearing. Do you know of any American that has traveled to Canada or Britain for a medical procedure?

I'm sure you don't but I know for a fact that Canadian doctors and nurses come here for medical procedures.

I've mentioned before that I play tennis with a retired Canadian doctor who winters here in Arizona and he has confirmed that Canadian healthcare is not nearly as good as it is here.

Socialized medicine like the post office functions in a competition free vacuum and we know how efficient the post office is.

Do we need more healthcare oversight? As long as Barney Frank or Chris Dodd are not part of it, Absolutely.
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PostSubject: Re: Health Care We Don't Need   Health Care We Don't Need EmptyTue Aug 18, 2009 7:05 pm

Just a little additional information from The Vancouver Sun

Thousands of surgeries may be cut in Metro Vancouver due to government underfunding, leaked paper

 

 
 
 



St. Paul's Hospital cardiologists peform a heart procedure.
 

St. Paul's Hospital cardiologists peform a heart procedure.

Photograph by: ..., Vancouver Sun file

VANCOUVER — Vancouver patients needing neurosurgery, treatment for vascular diseases and other medically necessary procedures can expect to wait longer for care, NDP health critic Adrian Dix said Monday.

Dix said a Vancouver Coastal Health Authority document shows it is considering chopping more than 6,000 surgeries in an effort to make up for a dramatic budgetary shortfall that could reach $200 million.

“This hasn’t been announced by the health authority … but these cuts are coming,” Dix said, citing figures gleaned from a leaked executive summary of “proposed VCH surgical reductions.”

The health authority confirmed the document is genuine, but said it represents ideas only.

“It is a planning document. It has not been approved or implemented,” said spokeswoman Anna Marie D’Angelo.

Dr. Brian Brodie, president of the BC Medical Association, called the proposed surgical cuts “a nightmare.”

“Why would you begin your cost-cutting measures on medically necessary surgery? I just can’t think of a worse place,” Brodie said.

According to the leaked document, Vancouver Coastal — which oversees the budget for Vancouver General and St. Paul’s hospitals, among other health-care facilities — is looking to close nearly a quarter of its operating rooms starting in September and to cut 6,250 surgeries, including 24 per cent of cases scheduled from September to March and 10 per cent of all medically necessary elective procedures this fiscal year.

The plan proposes cutbacks to neurosurgery, ophthalmology, vascular surgery, and 11 other specialized areas.

As many of 112 full-time jobs — including 13 anesthesiologist positions — would be affected by the reductions, the document says.

“Clearly this will impact the capacity of the health-care system to provide care, not just now but in the future,” Dix said.

Further reductions in surgeries are scheduled during the Olympics, when the health authority plans to close approximately a third of its operating rooms.

Two weeks ago, Dix released a Fraser Health Authority draft communications plan listing proposed clinical care cuts, including a 10-per-cent cut in elective surgeries and longer waits for MRI scans.

The move comes after the province acknowledged all health authorities together will be forced to cut staff, limit some services and increase fees to find $360 million in savings during the current fiscal year.

In all, Fraser Health is looking at a $160-million funding shortfall.

D’Angelo said Vancouver Coastal’s deficit is closer to $90 million — almost a third of which ($23 million) has already been absorbed through reductions in non-clinical administration efficiencies.

Vancouver Coastal performed 67,000 surgeries last year, an increase of 6,500 surgeries over 2007.

“What has now happened is that now our wait times are about 25 per cent lower than the provincial average,” D’Angelo said. “We have put a dent in that wait list.”

Brodie acknowledged surgical waiting times have dropped significantly in recent years, particularly for patients needing hip and joint replacements.

He said the proposed cuts threaten those advancements.

“It sounds like we are going backwards here,” he said.

Total health spending in British Columbia was $15.7 billion this year, up about four per cent over last year’s total of 15.1 billion, according to figures provided by the ministry of health.

Health Minister Kevin Falcon was unavailable for comment Monday on the proposed health-care cuts. A ministry spokesman said Falcon is away on his honeymoon until the end of August.

Elsewhere in British Columbia, the province will look to replace the head of the Interior Health Authority, Murray Ramsden, after he announced he will step down at the end of the year.

Ramsden has said his decision to retire is not related to financial problems faced by the authority.

dahansen@vancouversun.com

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